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munkerino · May 22, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

since monks are in demand for those groups , do they have to supply a con set?

fearfactory · May 22, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

I don't see why not. They are part of the group. Most people leave it up to the ursans though because the monks can easily become the most stressed in the group.

TBH, it's actually harder to get a group as an HB monk in an ursan group because of the 8 spots, they are only looking for 2 or 3.

In a regular non-ursan group, I would have to say no for the monks, because they will have their work cut out for them during the run.

miskav · May 22, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

For DoA mostly yeah, incase of overtime. But for FoW/UW only on rare occasions.

munkerino · May 22, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

I should clarify, ursanway HM

Sethellington · May 22, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

i think they should, everyone does areas for the same reas on - profit or stautes or whatever, maybe it's harder to monk than it is to ursan, but monks can't clear DoA without the Ursan, and vice versa.

rose of zg · May 22, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by munkerino

since monks are in demand for those groups , do they have to supply a con set?

no no no monk do not need to have to supply of cons ...

Dallcingi · May 22, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

IMO no cause monks actually do something.. ursan just hit 1234 or w/e lol so theyre not doing much real work.

X Joey X · May 22, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

I don't think monks have to supply cons, it's usually the Ursan's that do

Angela Sitsonit · May 22, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

ursans are in demand aswell ! i have heard soooo many reasons, usually from monks, why they don't have to pay and i still don't understand why not !

We do all the healing----> That is what monks do right ?
I never had to pay in other groups----> And you don't think thats strange ?
If i have to pay for a con i won't heal anyone----> Stay home !
Way back when, before ursan, we never paid for cons----> True, nobody did !
I used mine in the last run---> And thats the groups problem how ?

This has crept into the game due to reordering before mission, 4 or 5 cons needed for DoA for example, use cons from top to bottom.The last 4 or 3 have a free run
That still doesn't mean monks should have a free run in my opinion.

I never make a big deal out of it coz i want to do the run but it still seems strange to me.

Konig Des Todes · May 22, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Everyone who can, should bring a back-up set, just in case some idiot sets his off while half the group is dead. And yes, that has happened to my groups, several times.

Gregslot · May 22, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angela Sitsonit

We do all the healing----> That is what monks do right ?
I never had to pay in other groups----> And you don't think thats strange ?
If i have to pay for a con i won't heal anyone----> Stay home !
Way back when, before ursan, we never paid for cons----> True, nobody did !
I used mine in the last run---> And thats the groups problem how ?

Yea, monks usually think they are better than the other classes because they keep the group alive.
But we kill the monsters, these monsters drop itens, itens that will go for the monks. So no drops for the monks without us.

Frisky Arent u · May 22, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

in a pug no,but if going on multiple runs quickly yes but they r the last 2 use theirs

xx luna xx · May 22, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Monks normally don't get asked for cons cuz yes they heal. And their job is harder than the Ursans. However Ursans had to grind to max the Norn title so it wasn't all a piece of cake for them either.
Be nice if a monk volunteered cons now and then

Yoshikuni Mahsu · May 22, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I actually typed this up in the riverside thread, only to find it was closed by the time I hit "submit":

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilseabass

With the monks, its basically the same thing: They target specific players who need healing, then use a few skills over and over to keep the party alive.

Bad monks.

A half decent monk does a lot (this is a understatement) more than spam heals to make the red bar go up, but that isnt really on topic, so I digress.

Point: If your monk has any idea what he's doing (can you say prot?) then its only right for the ursans to take the cons because the monk is doing a lot more than the ursans.

Now if you've got a bad monk (they can still get the job done, 2 good monks can keep 6 ursans alive, however) I STILL dont believe they should take the cons for one reason:

Monking is boring.
And therefore its hard to find monks. (even bad ones)

So:

A. make your monk take cons, have him leave and wait 2 1/2 hours till you find a monk that will take cons,

B. monk yourself

C. or go ursan and take cons.

I think its obvious what you choose. Now, ask yourself, if monking and ursan'ing are so equal why do you want to ursan rather than monk?

If monks have the "ancient seat of power", then I ask, why dont you monk? Thats my point. Its like you've just got hired at an office, and theres two different types of jobs you can get: One pays average wage, but you only work 4 days a week. The other job pays 2x as much as the other job, but you dont get any sickdays or holidays off, and you work 5 days a week. You choose the first job, then spend the rest of your days complaining about how well payed the people doing the other job are. Your boss tells you you can switch jobs whenever you want, but you never do.

Thats what I compare the monk/other proffesion situation too.

BLOODGOAT · May 22, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I would sooner run without cons than fork 7k for a set when I hardly make that much in a FoW run. (Net profit: 0)

Simple enough for all the BAWWWWWWing Ursanfags to understand?

Alex the Great · May 22, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sethellington

i think they should, everyone does areas for the same reas on - profit or stautes or whatever, maybe it's harder to monk than it is to ursan, but monks can't clear DoA without the Ursan, and vice versa.

DoA was cleared berfore ursans een came out, with monks on the team. I highly doubt that 90% of ursans could beat DoA with a healer other than a monk, however.

guess which prof i play in DoA

Swamp Fox · May 22, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

both should have cons, and about monking being more boring or ursan being more boring, both are boring when you keep doing it over and over and over, and the team cant do without the other, and since ursan pugs are idiots half the time i can see why ursans should get cons, but then again you cant tell if monks are doing as good as they should be unless the team starts dieing at the more difficult parts, imo i think the last people to join a team are the ones that usually have to get the cons(which is why i join fresh groups

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Age · May 22, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

What exactly is the term con being used in this thread?

Dallcingi · May 22, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

What exactly is the term con being used in this thread?

consumables from crafters... net u bonus like faster atk/run speed, more energy, faster cast time, more hp etc..

rose of zg · May 22, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by xx luna xx

Monks normally don't get asked for cons cuz yes they heal. And their job is harder than the Ursans. However Ursans had to grind to max the Norn title so it wasn't all a piece of cake for them either.
Be nice if a monk volunteered cons now and then

rofl ffs hard to max ursan ....lolz

im a MO/any and im ursan r10..:P

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